Into the Fire with Karen Pery & Gary Mahler

Karen Pery and Gary Mahler co-founded the Into the Fire Surf Retreat to help people do life better. They join this week’s podcast to talk about how they first met and came up with the idea for Into the Fire, and share their insights into what makes the experience so special for their guests. They geek out about leadership and talk about all kinds of weird “leadership competencies” like claiming things, metaphors, the four levels of love, full permission, responsibility for impact and more.

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